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Poll :: Would you use FreeNuke if it existed?

Yes
77%
 77%  [ 109 ]
No
5%
 5%  [ 8 ]
Maybe
17%
 17%  [ 24 ]
Total Votes : 141


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Imago
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Joined: Jan 17, 2003
Posts: 629

Location: Europe

PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2003 1:19 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I have voted NO, but after the inadequate reaction of FB and apology of AI, please, count my voice to YES.

My further comments are here.
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Atoum
Nuke Cadet
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Joined: May 28, 2003
Posts: 1


PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2003 5:21 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I voted Yes and I'd do it 10 times again if I could. I'm also offering my time (have plenty) to help on the french version of your new CMS (translation part only - I don't code), and am willing to change my site from french PHP-Nuke community and support to french FreeNuke community and support. I know many of my members will follow, as long as they can do so without loosing datas.

If you're interested, my e-mail is: nuked-cs@fr.st

I'm not asking anything for this, not even a link exchange or mention of my site anywhere in the french version. I'm offering my help only cause I REALLY want you guys to go ahead with FreeNuke, seeing the work you already achieved I'm positive it would enable us to work on our site in normal conditions, not to have to worry about tomorrows every 10 days.
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neubs007
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Joined: May 29, 2003
Posts: 2


PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2003 11:02 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I'm fairly new to the nuke scene, I was/am amazed at what the nuke community has to offer. I stumbled across phpNuke while trying to find a way to develop a cms with a wysiwyg interface for a handful of smaller nonprofit orgs that would switch to my hosting plans if they could have a way to update the content on their web site without what they concider to be difficult (html, ftp, etc). ...'nuf with the details ...

The reason why I have always been hesitant of phpnuke is, from what I could tell, it has been controlled by a person. Software project can tend to be become an enity itself. The wider the use the more the software needs to become it's own enitity. I've looked for phpNuke alternatives because I saw nuke becoming that way...a person controled system. phpNuke is to the point where it need to be controled by a handful of core developers. It needs a direction that will allow user input, centralized security, and a robust testing scheme. Another problem I had was it claimed to be under the gnu/gpl licensing, but FB wanted to enforce it a different way than what was in the gnu/gpl. I thought I might be able to modify the license disclaimers in the footer, which is allowable under the gnu/gpl, but all indications on the website stated the FB wanted it his way or the highway, so I was torn which way would be the right way. I had planned on donating a portion of my proceeds to him since this is a truely remarkable product, but always felt that it wouldn't always be free. (NOTE: I do not sell or plan to sell phpNuke or any other nuke product as a software package, since I think that is a violation of the copyright, I offer it as a selling point through hosting and educating users how to update their own content.)

So in a nutshell, I think freenuke will be a better product since you will have a pool of core developers developing the engine. This way it will be bigger than any individual so the developers would have to keep an ear towards the community as a whole. I liken it to a company who goes from a privately held company to a corporation where the management needs to answer to the share holders.

good luck nukecops, you have a yes vote from me....and once releases are released I would gladly contribute a portion of my earnings to development.
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Dunderklumpen
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Joined: Apr 25, 2003
Posts: 53

Location: Sweden

PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2003 12:01 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I agree completely and this is what I myself have been thinking about.

http://nukecops.com/modules.php?name=News&file=comments&op=showreply&tid=537&sid=193&pid=536&mode=&order=0&thold=0#537

Get someone to organize and to handle the different teams and also to keep most of the heat away from the developers.

Let´s get this show on the road!
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ArtificialIntel



Joined: Jan 31, 2004
Posts: -88


PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2003 1:58 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

people. lets not get too carried away with ideas yet.

There will have to be a designated development team who will have full control of the fork. Yes, when we've got it off the ground, there will be some form of suggestions area for people to propose features for it on, but all suggestions will have to conform to a guideline set out when we decide how to proceed wiht the fork.

Yes, it now looks like the fork is a given no matter what FB does, because quite frankly, a lot of the mods and elites on this site think it's a good idea.

We'll keep you posted.

AI
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mapbenz
Nuke Cadet
Nuke Cadet


Joined: May 29, 2003
Posts: 6

Location: GA,FL and Portugal

PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2003 5:15 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi, First of I would like to say, thank you for being here. Best support I have found on the web is right here. On the subject of "FreeNuke". Its a great Idea. When software is developed and shared by the public it can only get better. I have found that with open source software, innovation grows at an amazing rate.

One opinion I do have about FB, Don't blame the guy for wanting to make a little bit of money off of his hard work. $10.00 a month is not that much. However, I do believe that he could make extra income by approaching this different. Using basic marketing and going after the larger companies that use Nuke, he could supply them with support and upgrades for a lot more than $10.00 a month. If I had no idea what I was doing, and had a business that used NUKE (there are a ton load of application) I would pay a lot more than $10.00 a month
I look forward to using the first version of FreeNuke
Thanks
Clint
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Raven
General
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Joined: Mar 22, 2003
Posts: 5233

Location: USA

PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2003 12:20 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

No one here at NC is blaming FB for wanting to make money. The basic issue is how he treats the users of phpnuke and has in the past. To restrict a release that he, himself, labels as fixing security issues, in my opinion, is unethical and just down right wrong. I would perfectly understand his charging for enhancements, but not for fixing code that he wrote that is fundamentaly and structurally wrong. There are many other issues that don't concern money and you can read about many of them here and elsewhere.

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ArtificialIntel



Joined: Jan 31, 2004
Posts: -88


PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2003 1:28 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

FB's got his whole release policy backwards. He should be charging for major releases - like 6.5, 7.0, 7.5 etc. and having releases like 6.6 which are security / bug fix releases available as update packs free of charge

AI
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Dunderklumpen
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Joined: Apr 25, 2003
Posts: 53

Location: Sweden

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2003 2:14 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I´m not jumping into any conlussions or doing anything we haven´t already started. After seeing how FB has been handling security issues in the past and the lack of support, no or little documentation, we have decided to create a distribution of our own. This decission was taken long before this latest development. We will go forward with this and if the FreeNuke project needs our assistance we will be here for you. Cool
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ArtificialIntel



Joined: Jan 31, 2004
Posts: -88


PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2003 4:27 am Reply with quoteBack to top

who's we?

The management of this site are currently trying to work out details of a few bits and pieces. Nothing's decided from our end yet as to what the next step we're going to take is. Currently, although FreeNuke is a good idea, it's still just an idea.

AI
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Dunderklumpen
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Joined: Apr 25, 2003
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Location: Sweden

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2003 4:47 am Reply with quoteBack to top

ArtificialIntel wrote:
who's we?

The management of this site are currently trying to work out details of a few bits and pieces. Nothing's decided from our end yet as to what the next step we're going to take is. Currently, although FreeNuke is a good idea, it's still just an idea.

AI


We - a small Swedish team. We will translate PhpNuke (already done), include some modules and develop the package a bit more (well on the way). More functions for the news and some more functions that we feel should be there.

This will be done without breaking or loosing any compability with the original PHPNuke. And this is not just another package with some modules and blocks added - we will add new functions and use information already stored in the database in new ways.

Also we will document PhpNuke and create a manual for the users.

Right now we are 4 persons working with this.

That´s who we are Cool
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Zhen-Xjell
Nuke Cops Founder
Nuke Cops Founder


Joined: Nov 14, 2002
Posts: 5939


PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2003 5:03 am Reply with quoteBack to top

That was my understanding... all ideas are good ones. The important thing to keep in mind is, which ones actually get implemented. Whatever happens, its wonderful to see such amazing support.

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paris
Nuke Soldier
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Joined: Jun 01, 2003
Posts: 32


PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2003 12:32 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

First off I would like to say that nukecops seems to be the most organized php-nuke site I have found. being new to nuke and cms systems in general I was able get up and running using the nuke 6.5 and analyzer in less than 5 mins flat and since then have been able to find fixes for every problem here at nukecops. As far as the idea to start a new version of nuke is a great idea. I aggree with most people that the name should NOT include the word nuke the name nuke stops alot of people from recommending or selling services becuse clients and people in general reguard nuke as a destructive term. "Secure Post" sounds much better Also the one thing nuke lacks much on is graphics and support for macromedia flash built in sure the themes are great but some sort of flash intergration would be great. I have a flash community site and would like to extend any help etc.. possiable to intergrating flash with nuke let me know if you need any help with flash or grapics of any kind.

Thanks, again for your cool site Smile
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ArtificialIntel



Joined: Jan 31, 2004
Posts: -88


PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2003 12:41 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I'd like to assure everybody that if we go ahead with FreeNuke as it currently stands, the name will not be FreeNuke, as everybody who's currently penciled in to be involved agrees that all ties to nuke should be removed.

AI
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davper
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Joined: Apr 07, 2003
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Location: Boston, MA USA

PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2003 6:57 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

ArtificialIntel wrote:
FB's got his whole release policy backwards. He should be charging for major releases - like 6.5, 7.0, 7.5 etc. and having releases like 6.6 which are security / bug fix releases available as update packs free of charge

AI


BINGO!

You hit the nail on the head

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