OK I had a Nuke site until a few days ago. It was complicated, the 'core' PHP framework was cearly unsound at best. And getting anything done meant constantly applying patches and fixes with a boat load of political nonsense from FB's actions.
For my needs, Mambo (http://www.mamboserver.com) is much better and everything about it screams stability and professionalism. The Mambo 4.5 "Beta" is a joy while Nuke "full releases" have been a nightmare.
I just wanted to know...why do people stay with Nuke?
I've seen a couple of statements about it being the best and staying #1 and all that, but reality is that there are far superior systems out there.
The one area I haven't seen much else besides Nuke is when you really need a "community portal" type application AND the target audience is either "geek or gamer". Does anyone have a popular Nuke website that's for the average web surfer?
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Joined: Mar 11, 2003
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Thu Oct 23, 2003 6:23 am
Nuke is not just a CMS, it's also a Portal System too, on the other site Mambo is just a CMS, there are few plugins out there for it but core can be used to e-zine type or websites, Mambo and PHP-Nuke are totally different things, try asking the authers of Mambo.
I'v played with Mambo in the past. I just d/l'd their newest version and it sure is pretty.
However, it's prettiness FAR out ways it's functionality.
It really is basic and doesn't have much to it. Like the above Poster said, it is simply a CMS while Nuke is more of a Potal/CMS.
Mambo is a small program that seems to be just getting started yet is on the right track to becoming a good if not great CMS.
I can't really argue with any of your points on Nuke's faults. However, I run a Non-gamer site. I actually run a few of them.
Don't get me wrong. I stand by Nuke 100%, but you are right when you say
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And getting anything done meant constantly applying patches and fixes with a boat load of political nonsense from FB's actions.
but Mambo has these same issues and those issues will grow as it becomes more popular. The great thing about Nuke is it's community effort and how it far surpasses any CMS out there today. That in itself is enough for me to choose which CMS I will use to run my site.
Yes, if I had 200-300 visitors on at the same time and wanted them to talk to each other like NukeCops, my needs would be different.
I worked with the older version of Mambo a bit and then decided to wait it out for the 4.5 to reach Beta status. The current 4.0.14 is great, but I didn't want to have to upgrade much once I got everything set up.
Honestly, I love it. It's so clean and everything just flows. The WYSIWYG content editing and DHTML admin menus alone make it much easier and faster to update. I know I can totally "trick out" my Nuke install and mod it left and right like I was doing with the 6.5-6.9 run I was on, but then I can't upgrade easily if at all. How does that make sense?
I understand that Nuke is a Community Portal CMS and Mambo is only a CMS. I need organized content (magazine type site) that I can update quickly. Mambo has the core features I personally need and I'm impressed with the addon interface. I mean my jaw dropped when I went into Admin and simply pointed to a 3rd party's zipped component and hit upload and Mambo installed the component for me. It's the little well thought out things like that which shows me people are on the right track. I mean the big announcement for the next PHPNuke was FB making an Amazon module?!?!?!? Are you kidding?
As far as "not having much" - I guess to each his own. Mambo gives me a CMS, Gallery, Polls, Who's Online, etc. The extra Nuke stuff like comments on articles and Private Messages...I don't need at all. As a matter of fact, my User base was turned off by the myriad of choices and felt that most of them had nothing to do with the core purpose of the site. With Mambo's built in control of the Main menu and ability to have those choices expand to subsections when navigated, user feedback is that they love it and everything is much clearer now. Why did I have to edit naitive PHP in Nuke files to change my menu around?
I think there are great add-ons for the old Mambo and this 4.5 already has some of the more useful ones ported. I suspect that given it's stronger core and clear developer interface, there will be even more high quality "components"
mcanalls Nuke Cadet
Joined: Jun 20, 2003
Posts: 7
Location: SC
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Thu Oct 23, 2003 6:01 pm
i've been running nuke for sometime now but i've gone with another cms on a new site. the stagnation of nuke has really discouraged me. i'm not going to pump up a different portal/cms system, but nukelite's club, the shutting down of his forums, and all of the drama that has gone on this summer has been too much.
i use to enjoy my daily visit to the nuke sites, but not much is happening.
am i wrong to feel this way?
i know this portal is free and i don't really have the right to complain, but that freedom was part of the excitement. i'd download the core, add my needed modules and blocks, a little configuration and folks not familiar with all of this were blown away.
i gladly left all of the footer info in hopes that someone else would check it out and join the once prospering php-nuke community.
now...i could really care less.
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manunkind1 Nuke Soldier
Joined: Sep 26, 2003
Posts: 11
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Thu Oct 23, 2003 6:49 pm
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I know I can totally "trick out" my Nuke install and mod it left and right like I was doing with the 6.5-6.9 run I was on, but then I can't upgrade easily if at all. How does that make sense?
I totally agree there. Nuke sucks as far as "upgrading".
Mambo has the core features I personally need and I'm impressed with the addon interface. I mean my jaw dropped when I went into Admin and simply pointed to a 3rd party's zipped component and hit upload and Mambo installed the component for me. It's the little well thought out things like that which shows me people are on the right track.
definitely a nice feature, but to get a module approved for Mambo's repository is a royal pain (I know someone who has tried to get one approved)
MamboServer Documentation wrote:
order to benefit from Mambo's now famous administrator interface this is best achieved on the Windows platform using Internet Explorer (version 5.5 or higher). We have implemented htmlArea (www.interactivetools.com) for the WYSIWYG editor and this ONLY works under Windows and Internet Explorer.
Extensive testing has also been completed using Mozilla 1.4 but the WYSIWYG editor is not available in this browser.
We anticipate that the administrator interface will not function correctly in other browsers. This is due to the fact that in order to bring you the easiest to use open source CMS we have had to introduce technology that is not always cross browser compatible, as Internet Explorer covers the majority and Mozilla 1.4 is available for many other platforms other than Windows.
personally I don't want to be limited to having to use a browser with an IE core... that is a huge turn-off to me...
And on their list of competitors, they made me laugh... they are trying to compare themselves to Vignette... Vignette, for those who don't know.. isn't a portal CMS, it's an Enterprise level CMS that has flexibilty that Mambo can't offer (nor PHP-Nuke)
They are well suited for large company intranet portals. Not even on the same playing field as PHP-Nuke or Mambo... hilarious...
that is a bi reason why Mambo is still in the early growing stages.. it's not quite ready to hang with the big dogs yet... But when it is, it should be cool!
It's user configurable (change the theme, the layout, and the content) without needing a PhD in computer science.
It's well supported (ie, these forums as well as other places)
Oh...and it's free. I like free. I like the fact that I can look at the code, add tweaks, publish those tweaks, and not have to worry about the authors getting (too) bent outta shape because I "tweaked" their baby.
And besides, everyone and their cyber-savvy mother has stuff for nuke.
Well, you wanted to know.
aabbcc Corporal
Joined: Feb 20, 2004
Posts: 60
Posted:
Sat Feb 21, 2004 6:07 pm
Nuke has a great community, a huge one... Every problems are easy to fix and you can also find everything you need (blocks, modules, etc...).
I myself disliked phpnuke at first, then after learning a bit of php, and modding things, I love it, theres tons of support for it, great sites to get blocks/mods/hacks for it like this site(nukecops.com) I can tweak things, add new things very simply, it runs fast, I have over 25,000 vistors a day, It doesn't use tons of bandwidth, it does its job at pretty much doing everything itself, I wouldn't upgrade to phpnuke 7.x though, as I don't see a point for the point system.. But I will love it alot, My phnuke 6.9 has a bunch of nick mods/hacks/blocks/changes and runs great in otherwords I would give PHPNuke a 5 star rating for being one of the best portal systems I've seen!
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Mambo Open Source is not a replacement for the Nukes ( PostNuke, PHPNuke etc.). The Nukes are community based portals.
Now whilst Mambo Open Source can be modified, added to etc. to provide this style of site this is not the goal of the project. Mambo Open Source is aimed at the more professional of sites e.g. small to medium business, family or personal sites.
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Mambo Open Source has won the LinuxUser & Developer Award 2004 for 'Best Linux or Open SourceSoftware.
Not bad for a start-up I would think.
Must have another look at that one.
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