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DianLo-II (Commercial) Released by SDDesign.BiZ |
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We at SDDesign.BiZ have just released our newest theme
DIABLO- II Theme.
PREVIEW THEME
PURCHASE THEME
You have seen a lot of Diablo themes on the web. But none of them in any way will stand
up to this theme's charm.
SDDesign.BiZ -> Satisfaction Guaranteed
Thank you
SDDesign Administration"
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Posted on Tuesday, October 11 @ 06:28:49 CEST by VinDSL |
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Re: DianLo-II (Commercial) Released by SDDesign.BiZ (Score: 1)
by edogs on Tuesday, October 11 @ 07:36:48 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.dogsempire.com | Just a thought.
If someone noticed, the php-nuke are gnu/gpl script.
Theme designed for php-nuke have to obey gnu/gpl rules of distribution.
So it simply means that anyone allowed to distribute theme for free.
Hm. Sounds strange, but logical.
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Re: DianLo-II (Commercial) Released by SDDesign.BiZ (Score: 1)
by SlashDot on Tuesday, October 11 @ 08:31:11 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.sddesign.biz | Helo Sir.
why would anything designed based on nuke be free? is that is the case then any software that runs on linux should be free as well :P
or anything else thats like so..
what about all the hard work and hours that the creators put in making these things? |
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Re: DianLo-II (Commercial) Released by SDDesign.BiZ (Score: 1)
by edogs on Tuesday, October 11 @ 09:13:49 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.dogsempire.com | why would anything designed based on nuke be free?
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We didn't tell exactly this... but, read the gnu/gpl
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html
Point 2b (shotrage here)
"2. You may .... forming a work based on the Program,
b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that ... is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License. "
So, you see, if you make something to include or work only with gnu/gpl product you must release you product on gnu/gpl terms, with all the restrictions.
is that is the case then any software that runs on linux should be free as well :P
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Bad move. We think each one have to be responsible for his own actions, without references to "hey guys, look, some creators of software on linux do the same, so I don't care about is it right or wrong, I'll just do the same".
or anything else thats like so..
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We feel you never seen fight around php license
http://www.php.net/license/
Read the answer on
"Q. Why is PHP 4 not dual-licensed under the GNU General Public License (GPL) like PHP 3 was? "
One of reason because php change license type from GPL to LGPL is easy... GPL didn't allow normal commercial trade of scripts. Because of GPL restrictions. So php license changed to lgpl.
what about all the hard work and hours that the creators put in making these things?
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The one who care about it should think and spend a 30 minutes to read gnu/gpl license before spending hours in hard work :-)
ALso, do you think php-nuke were created in few minutes and there were no hard work and creators didn't spend hours to make php-nuke?
This is nature of FREEDOM and OPEN-SOURCE which gives gnu/gpl. :-P
P.S.: BTW, if you are really interesting in this topic - we offer you to open topic in forum. Comments is bad place for it:-) We can say much more on this topic, basically we feel you misunderstand our words a bit.
But read gnu/gpl license at first. |
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Re: DianLo-II (Commercial) Released by SDDesign.BiZ (addition) (Score: 1)
by edogs on Tuesday, October 11 @ 09:16:52 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.dogsempire.com | Let's make it more clear.
We never said that gnu/gpl decline to trade the scripts.
We just say that making work based on gnu/gpl scripts, or destined to work with gnu/gpl scripts, or be part of this is not the same as releasing commercial product. It have restrictions, and all restrictions are described in gnu/gpl. |
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Re: DianLo-II (Commercial) Released by SDDesign.BiZ (addition) (Score: 1)
by SlashDot on Tuesday, October 11 @ 13:19:57 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.sddesign.biz | | this is indeed an interesting topic. and i must say my knowledge about GNU license are not proper. But i gather most people are of the same understanding as me. this is just my idea. taking that your point is right then how come there are so many commercial products based on phpnuke is running? shouldnt everything be stopped then? please clearify |
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Re: DianLo-II (Commercial) Released by SDDesign.BiZ (addition) (Score: 1)
by edogs on Tuesday, October 11 @ 16:10:07 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.dogsempire.com | Yes, very many peoples heard about gnu/gpl license but rarely read it. Peoples just looking that it's free and think that they can do anything with it because they got it for free, they also looking how other peoples acts with gpl products and do the same... So one mistake born another mistake and it's continious.
About commercial products based on phpnuke. We mean modules, yes? Here is several parts of story.
1) Probably creators of software don't know about gnu/gpl too. It's possible.
2) GNU/GPL license DOESN"T mean that you MUST give peoples gnu/gpl product for free. It's just mean that ANYONE ALLOWED to distribute gnu/gpl for free.
Feel the difference? Most clear example. phpnuke.org charging 10$ for latest version of php-nuke... but in same time you can download it for free from many other sites, and it's legal.
3) So called "standalone" products. Let's guess that someone created module which works with "fantasy cms" which is based on commercial license. Let's make a second guess that this module are compatible with php-nuke W/O CHANGES. In this case... if you will unite this module with php-nuke and will distribute in one package - you will have to put gnu/gpl license on your module. BUT! If your module CAN work without php-nuke AND you distribute module separately from phpnuke- you can put your own commercial license on this.
Most of commercial product works by 2nd point. Yes, it's risky enough that someone will put it for free download, but... phpnuke.org have enough members who pay for latest version of phpnuke though they can download it for free on other sites. It's some kind of donation, but a bit more tricky:-) If someone paid for module, such person rarely will want to distribute it for free.... especially if he don't know that he have right for it (as we told... it's very common mistake about gnu/gpl products).
Some of commercial products works by 3rd point. Most of them were natural born standalone scripts, and can work w/o phpnuke.
And the last one thing to add. Rules only deals with developer, distributor of code, programmer and etc. Final user can use any mix of scripts... commercial and gpl and so on... for his own site.
Now a bit about "themes" for php-nuke. We are not sure if it can be handled by 3rd point, but if there are any NOT gnu/gpl CMS there you themes can work w/o changes, you can just announce it like work for such CMS and announce it compatible with phpnuke. Also, you can act by 2nd point, if you don't have any commercial and copyrighted graphics included.
So you see. gnu/gpl doesn't mean that you can't get money for work. It just mean that you can handle it same way like with commercial license.
Basically, we would recomend you to read gnu/gpl license and especially FAQ for it very carefully. We sometimes reread it from time to time to fresh it in our memory:-) Main thing... it was not created for making money, it was created for make all software free and open source... |
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Re: DianLo-II (Commercial) Released by SDDesign.BiZ (addition TWO):-) (Score: 1)
by edogs on Tuesday, October 11 @ 16:20:53 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.dogsempire.com | One more notice.
Copyrights. Copyright removal are not allowed by gnu/gpl.
Basically, you can release theme product based on gnu/gpl basis... but... allow PEOPLES (by his own hands) to remove your copyrights if they paid for this ability/
It's borderline solution but we believe it have to be legal. In this case you don't distribute theme w/o copyrights. You just sale right to remove your copyright. And we believe theme w/o copyrights looks much more good:-) |
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Re: DianLo-II (Commercial) Released by SDDesign.BiZ (Score: 1)
by Technocrat on Tuesday, October 11 @ 13:47:24 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | There is no data being passed back, so in theory this "plug-in" could be covered under its own license
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLAndPlugins |
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Re: DianLo-II (Commercial) Released by SDDesign.BiZ (Score: 1)
by edogs on Tuesday, October 11 @ 15:45:48 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.dogsempire.com | Yes, theme are plug-in, but... this is kind of plug-in which described in second abstract and basically requires gpl license too.
Theme definitely share structure and functions with php-nuke, and make it dinamically. |
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Re: DianLo-II (Commercial) Released by SDDesign.BiZ (Score: 1)
by Technocrat on Wednesday, October 12 @ 10:39:12 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | I dont know I think you could argue this both ways
Themes do not share data structures they are a conduit.
Also I would read "they make function calls to each other" as something that goes back and forth from the plugin back to the core program. Which doesnt happen.
Though I can see arguements for this being the case too.
PHPBB has many threads about this. The answer there seems to be that if you do not use the tpls with subsilver or any other template you are allowed to sell the theme but its still covered under GPL. |
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Re: DianLo-II (Commercial) Released by SDDesign.BiZ (Score: 1)
by edogs on Wednesday, October 12 @ 10:46:31 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.dogsempire.com | Don't mix themes for php-nuke and themes for phpbb. phpbb basically have only html structure. but php-nuke theme it's the code.
Also I would read "they make function calls to each other" as something that goes back and forth from the plugin back to the core program. Which doesnt happen.
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It happends.
1) phpnuke calls theme functions
themeheader, themefooter, themestory, themeindex.
2) Theme calls phpnuke functions. banner.php file, is_user, public_message, blocks. |
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Re: DianLo-II (Commercial) Released by SDDesign.BiZ (Score: 1)
by Technocrat on Wednesday, October 12 @ 13:37:56 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | I would discard phpbb templates so easily since it makes your argument :lol:
You can do a theme with out using banner.php file, is_user, & public_message. I guess you would still need blocks, though I think personally that is a stupid way to manage that. |
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Re: DianLo-II (Commercial) Released by SDDesign.BiZ (Score: 1)
by edogs on Wednesday, October 12 @ 14:48:25 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.dogsempire.com | Stupidity of themes in php-nuke it's other thing to discuss :-P
But the fact is that you can't make the theme w/o two-ways call of functions and sharing data.
But, here is the other way. It's possible to create "regular" theme, or take any theme on HTML-templates. In this case theme itself have to be distributed on gnu/gpl basis... but html templates and graphics will be done the same way like in phpbb - more than enough standalone.
Hm. We think this was is just the best. It's 100% compatible with gpl license and allow trade design w/o restrictions.
:-) |
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Re: DianLo-II (Commercial) Released by SDDesign.BiZ (Score: 1)
by Technocrat on Wednesday, October 12 @ 16:46:29 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | | There is a number of stupid things in Nuke we could spend days on :) |
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