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 Nuke Cops has in agreement with Francisco Burzi (nukelite) the author of PHP-Nuke to work together in the evolution of the PHP-Nuke CMS. Nuke Cops will now officially continue development of the following modules for the CMS: Forums, Private Messaging, and Journal.
In addition, we shall continue to build on our previous successes in the areas of bug fixes and security patches while working even more closely with Francisco.
PHPNuke.org and NukeCops.com are both moving together as the best of friends in a professional arena on a global scale.
In addition, from a previous article with Francisco's blessings, we will also continue to offer a special bundle of PHP-Nuke. Such additional items include:
-LDAP authentication
-Corporate grade calendar sharing module
-Web Space for Members
Nuke Cops is currently undergoing a wonderful evolution in our staffing and support to the users of PHP-Nuke.
We will be offering new tools to report and track bugs, and projects. We will also be offering a 24/7 live support online.
In addition, we are restructuring our team to resemble a business environment where the following roles have been identified and will need to be filled over time (some are filled):
- project manager
- module developer
- security code patcher
- document specialist
- hosts that offer forum support
- dedicated news admin
- dedicated downloads admin
- management
- super user admin
- server admin
- community outreach specialist
- abuse specialist
We'll also be assembling special teams that cover:
- new ideas
- AUP enforcement
- greivance committee
Others include decisions on who gets to become an authentic Elite Nuker, or even a staff member.
Elite Nukers at Nuke Cops are considered "Staff", without actual site responsibilities outside of being:
- nuke experts
- people who want to help others on site
Typically we seek staff from this elite group of members.
And the number one thing that has made us grow and see nearly 2 million page hits in under 6 months (and 2000 plus registered users in the same time) is:
- respect for each other
Yes, even though we are the staff and elite nukers, we pride ourselves in developing and helping the community with respect and sincerity.
And we will continue this to all new levels.
Nuke Cops believes that PHP-Nuke is the best solution out there for content management. One of the best reasons why, romantically speaking, is this product has drawn a cult like following. And we pride ourselves in being its greatest fans.
Nuke Cops staff is team focused. Even though roles are well defined, we believe in cross-functional team work.
Current most senior in management and owner is Zhen-Xjell, and then Chatserv. Today, Raven has been promoted to Site Admin (third most senior) from Site Moderator. In the days to come, more promotions will be announced at Nuke Cops.
To succeed in life, sometimes its best to take baby steps with patience and clear mind.
We value our friendship with Francisco and stand behind him as a human being. Thanks Francisco for being our friend and for creating such a valuable system.
And for the record, we do support versions 6.6 and 6.7.
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by chatserv on Sunday, June 08 @ 22:51:48 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://nukeresources.com | | Zhen has said it all, so i'd like to send out my congrats to our new site admin Raven, cheers my friend. I am very well pleased at everything expressed by Zhen and i'd like to add personally to the list that in the following days i will release a nukesql.php script for PHP-Nuke 6.7 (or the one available at that moment) and for those wondering the sec-fix patch will continue to be available whenever there is a need. |
Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by sixonetonoffun (sixonetonoffun@spammenot.com) on Sunday, June 08 @ 23:06:01 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | Thanks for clearing up the patch issue CS. (or none issue)
G'luck all may the light that guides you bring great success.
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by jimmyjimjim on Sunday, June 08 @ 23:06:17 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | | Wow… Nukecops is by definition an enigma. IMHO: You are more dedicated, more project oriented, and better spoken on the entire subject of php-nuke. This is a move I would not have expected. Good luck with your new venture! |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by Master-V on Sunday, June 08 @ 23:24:03 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://yakster.net | Well, in all honesty, I think freenuke was a 100% better Idea. I still love this site and all that it stands for but serious competition would have made the whole Nuke community better. There are other Nuke forks, but most are not that great. I was hoping NukeCops would start a serious fork, one that would make PHP-Nuke step up and perform better as well. Now that you have semi-merged, who knows what will happen next. Microsoft Nuke? JK
As I said, I love this site, I respect all the people on it and at PHP-Nuke.org, and I plan on being here to support the new developments. Perhaps, I was just a little disappointed.
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by crashoverride on Monday, June 09 @ 06:31:41 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | FreeNuke is not dead. It's very much alive under the management of AI. That's what he left to do, shortly after ZX announced his decision to the staff of this site.
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by dnuke on Monday, June 09 @ 13:59:49 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://castlerain.com | Quote: "knows what will happen next. Microsoft Nuke?"
Close, check this out.
http://www.dotnetnuke.com/ |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by MikeMiles on Monday, June 09 @ 00:43:54 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | This is the big story you kept putting off and wanting everyone to wait for? What a huge disappoinment this is to me. I can see why AI left now. Well, I'm off as well to look at other CMS' as I will not continue using something run by an egotistical maniac who charges for bug and security fixes. If you plan on sharing in FB's club revenues or charging extra money for the parts you assumed, you're already off on the wrong foot by not telling people this right upfront.
It takes way more than just organizing yourselves into a business structure. It takes someone with leadership qualities and a good business sense. FB has neither of these. Your need to continue remaining as followers shows you lack confidence in yourselves and probably don't have these two most important qualities.
Best of luck. I will still stop by but only to check out third party addons which I can use and integrate into another CMS. There are plenty of others just as good or even better than this one. They don't charge for fixes and don't have new releases coming out every month or less which btw makes it extremely tough to maintain a site. The only thing which disguishes PhpNuke from the others is its addons and I can always have these ported over.
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by Master-V on Monday, June 09 @ 00:52:26 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://yakster.net | I agree. If anyone has read my posts on this in the past, they know where I stand concerning the club and what is going on with PHP-Nuke. I would have liked to see NukeCops take a step in the right direction and develop their own independent CMS. I would love to know how FB has so much power and influence. I considered nukecops the best non-FB influenced nuke site and now it seems they are just going along with FB.
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by sixonetonoffun (sixonetonoffun@spammenot.com) on Monday, June 09 @ 01:38:35 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | I don't think its so much about Fb's influence as it is about the end users. Folks here have always made the end users their priority. Don't think that will change.
Nor would I put nails into the coffin of free concepts ;o) |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by charlyt on Monday, June 09 @ 03:54:12 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | I hope this cooperation with FB will bring important improovements in nuke base design.
- grouped user- and rightsmanagement 3rdparty module designers can use (extend) without tweaking the core
- improoved strategy for updating the core to new versions
- a core design which is stable, reliable and secure
- a core design which is able to incorporate complex modules without tweaking the core
- specified strategy for installing and uninstalling modules and blocks including database changes
IMO these are the main reasons that drove interested persons to other nuke forks - a stable core and new guidelines will give all these wounderful module designers the chance to provide excellent functions.
Don't miss the chance to lead a wellknown product to an excellent one
Good Luck !
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by FreeBeerIsCool on Monday, June 09 @ 05:02:52 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | "Version 6.7 with lots of fixes thanks to Nukecops... ENTER THE CLUB AND GET IT!"
Good job lining his wallet. You do the work, he'll get paid for it.
FB $1, NC 0
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by dmolavi on Monday, June 09 @ 08:21:14 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.nukedgallery.net | >> FB $1, NC 0
nope...FB $10 x (number of users who ponied up the cash), NC $0 (technically, they're in the negatives, since they spent their time and resources developing the fixes).
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by afc on Monday, June 09 @ 11:48:59 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | | For all the time spent fixing phpnuke FB should pay for hosting nuke cops. There the ones doing the real work. That the least FB could do after releasing a buggy CMS engine. |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by dmolavi on Monday, June 09 @ 08:23:17 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.nukedgallery.net | HMM...here's AI's take on the matter:
http://the-sci-factor.kicks-ass.net/ (the first article)..he doesn't say much, but it speaks volume's on NC 'policy'... |
Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by afc on Monday, June 09 @ 11:55:06 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | | good for ai i want to see a free nuke come to life. |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by Atoum on Monday, June 09 @ 10:03:25 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | That is the worst news I've read in weeks. Personnaly I'm going with AI and Freenuke, cause I'm FOR OS, FOR 100% free ressources on GNU licence, AGAINST FB's philosophy and AGAINST the club.
Seems like NukeCops have made their choice, AI has made his, now it's time for us to make ours.
Mine is set: go for it AI. |
Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by afc on Monday, June 09 @ 11:57:05 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | | Count me in AI |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by TrevorS on Monday, June 09 @ 15:06:30 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.trevor.net | | Rock on AI. Good luck on Free-Nuke. As for me, I will continue to develop my Atomic Engine. PHP-Nuke is a serious waiste of development time. I will program as much as is needed to support those sites that I have on PHP-Nuke until such a time comes when I can switch them off! :) |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by gangreen on Monday, June 09 @ 10:18:48 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | I think you guys are being a little naive. Personally, I think FB made a big mistake in trying to do everything himself. I think that phpnuke will drop into relative obscurity over the coming months, unfortunately, as there are other alternatives now that are free and better programmed.
I'm sorry to see that efforts will go on here supporting the closed project, payable per month.Ah well, will see most of you elsewhere... |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by baloo on Monday, June 09 @ 10:51:12 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | So what does this mean ?
NC will support the releases FB charges for ? So people unwilling to pay will be left high and dry ?
Or are we going to start seeing Nuke 6.x which is also available as NC 6.5 SPx ?
What will be the future ? Because quite frankly, if you continue to develop and support on release that are only available through club membership then I think you have sold yourselves, and everyone who supported "freenuke" out very very easily. |
Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by Master-V on Monday, June 09 @ 11:17:24 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://yakster.net | I'm all over this topic ;)
Supporting the club releases is only telling all of us here at NukeCops that we need to go pay for PHP-Nuke, GPL software that should be available for free (without our links getting deleted)
I am leaning towards helping AI get his project up and running.
By the way, anyone know NSN's stand on all of this?
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by intel352 on Tuesday, June 10 @ 16:36:29 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.nukebbmods.net | AHAHAHAHA, that is hilarious
NSN has already posted at AI's site, offering to combine their nuke branch-off efforts with his FreeNuke, hopefully it happens ;) |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by chatserv on Monday, June 09 @ 11:30:18 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://nukeresources.com | | While i have no plans on starting a flame war (which is what some seem to be building up) i will just add that had anyone taken a closer look at phpnuke.org's latest added downloads and read 6.7's release notes you would realize that the fixes we (NukeCops) provided for 6.7 are available for anyone using 6.5, it's called sec-fix patch 3 and yes, it has been available for quite some time. It has always been our (and my) tendency to release or provide fixes for bugs and security issues whenever one is found, if anyone actually believes we are only providing fixes for "club only" versions of Nuke then you are sadly mistaken. |
Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by Atoum on Monday, June 09 @ 12:00:11 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | I think the main problem here is not your fixes or whatever.
The main problem is that a couple of weeks ago you officially stood against FB's intiative to "generalize" the club and make new releases paying (6.6, 6.7, and the followings).
Two weeks ago you had strong arguments to rise against this and create your own fork, FreeNuke. Today, you are coming with this new post saying you support even more FB. Security patches is one thing, updates is another.
My personal view is that you are isolating yourself from the community here, just as FB has been doing since months now.
It is your choice after all, but if you read 95% of the comments here hopefully you will at one point realize it was a wrong one. I surely hope for you and the futur of the community that you will change minds (again), but I think the harm has been done already. You act without logic like FB does (releasing a new one week, the exact opposite the next week) and support paying projects, that is EXACTLY the 2 main reasons why the community got fed-up with FB.
If you wish to follow the same negative cycle, again it's your choice, then it's our choice not to go with it and stick to AI, who seems to be the only one who has coherent thoughts and in integer spirit. |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by Zhen-Xjell on Monday, June 09 @ 12:28:44 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://castlecops.com | That again is not the issue. ArtificialIntel enforced a stance for Nuke Cops without consulting management. It has been our attempt to heal what has been done and move forward.
AI's stance was never officially supported by Nuke Cops. End of story.
I wish him luck in his new endeavor. If you wish to discuss this further go elsewhere. We are PHP-Nuke focused.
Just as the software is GNU/GPL Licensed and you chose to use it, you can also choose not to use it. No one owes anyone anything.
We here at Nuke Cops serve the public because it makes us happy. Now either play along with everyone else in the sandbox nicely or leave. This applies to everyone at Nuke Cops. |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by Atoum on Monday, June 09 @ 12:37:26 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | Sad you take it like this, thought that a site on PHP-Nuke could be the good place to speak about the CMS's future issue.
Now if you are "closed" to any users suggestion or feeling, like you say, maybe I should go somewhere else, I don't see how you can have a community if the community can't express it's view.
So to make people happy, I'll just say: PHP-Nuke is PERFECT, FB's stategies are AWESOME, and this project will expand FOR EVER on an EXPONANTIAL way following such a path.
Do I have the right to stay now?
Gee, sorry to express my community users view! |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by Zhen-Xjell on Monday, June 09 @ 12:42:13 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://castlecops.com | So long as the commentary on this site is constructive, positive, intelligent, and mature they are all welcome. We've had news comments in the past where PostNuke, Xaraya, and PHPNuke developers came and maturely discussed each without fighting.
That is what Nuke Cops is about. Sharing information, dreams, code, etc. But intelligently and in an adult manner.
However, if posts here are to lambast folks, smear their reputations, down a project, then those aren't welcome.
Again, this is how we operate and will continue to do so. If someone does like our stance, hey... its a big world wide web.
Again, go for it... if everyone here wants to go and work on PostNuke, Xaraya, CrossNuke, FreeNuke... bless you all. Its a great thing doing what you love.
And in that, its PHP-Nuke we love and will continue to support. |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 0)
by crashoverride on Monday, June 09 @ 13:43:59 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | Being that AI's account has been blocked from access by him since ZX restored it, he asked me to post this here.
"I couldn't believe I was reading what I was reading when I saw this post from ZX. That original news article I posted was there because ALL the Elite Nukers who participate in this site regularly were in agreement. With the perpetual absence of ZX and Chatserv at the time, there was nobody to discuss this with.
ZX had plenty of opportunity to object over the week, but since he decided not to read any posts, or at the very least, not object to any of them, I cannot be blamed for this.
Now, I'm working on a fork, I'm not making any secret of this, and I'll publish information on this as and when there's something there to look at of it that's not the same as Nuke 6.6 on the surface as well as in the core.
In the meantime, I can be contacted via my usual email addresses, but I ask everybody to refrain from using the forums on my site to contact me as my site is a sci-fi community not a Nuke support / info site.
Regards.
AI" |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by Zhen-Xjell on Monday, June 09 @ 13:46:27 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://castlecops.com | For once in your life AI, tell the truth. You CO and AI are in fact one in the same individual. If you are going to start a new fork, then at least be truthful about your multiple personalities.
What folks see here at Nuke Cops is reality. That is the least you can do for your folks.
I won't tolerate anymore distruths from you. |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by Dunderklumpen on Monday, June 09 @ 12:33:21 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | This whole thing is way beyond silly.
PHP-Nuke has way to many users the be just a one-man-show and I can´t see that this will even come close to get things moving in the right direction.
So this was the "great" and "good" and even "wonderful" news?
That AI has left and that you are all back in line again?
Sorry, we are not following you - we as in the small team that already has started to work on our own distribution-package. The decission to start working on a version of our own was right then and is even more right now.
Good luck to you - you will certainly need it since it´s only a matter of time untill another similar situation will crop up. |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by Zhen-Xjell on Monday, June 09 @ 12:37:02 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://castlecops.com | Last but not least, let me rephrase... I don't care if you stay or not. We dedicated ourselves and are loyal to our desires. We are successful at what we do because we have lots of passion and drive, loyalty, committment, and team work.
We are not going to your sites and causing trouble so give us the same respect. If you don't like our home, leave. |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by Dunderklumpen on Monday, June 09 @ 14:14:02 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | Sorry, I was not aware of the fact you did´nt want anything other than positive responses. And I will leave - now.
Bye! |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 2, Interesting)
by Raven on Monday, June 09 @ 12:31:05 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://ravenphpscripts.com | | As with ChatServ and the rest of the management here, I have no desire to enter into a flame war. Emotions and opinions are running high right now and that can be exciting and help get things moving in a constructive or destructive course. Several good forks have started over the past months/years, but they have only gained a small audience, regardless of their good intents and quality of people involved. PHPNuke constantly survives with an overwhelming user base. That's not to say that another one would take the same course or that it shouldn't be done.
As I pondered which course to take recently, I asked myself what would benefit the nuke community the most, not just a small group or myself. I, as well as the rest of the staff at NC, truly desire to support the nuke community, especially in areas that have been neglected, regardless of by whom, or for what reasons.
Can we please everybody? Of course not and we wouldn't pretend that we can. However, does starting a new fork, which almost surely will go the course of the others, help to divide the community or bring it together? For the good of the community, this site exists and we trust will grow stronger. We all have our personal agreements/objections to the philosophies of FB, NC, and others. But, the course that ZX has outlined, I believe, in the long run, will be the one that will survive.
As to fixes, support, and the like, we are figuring that all out now and will give more information as soon as we can. We have promised to deliver the best support anywhere and we will. If you feel you need to use another fork or CMS, then we wish you the best of luck! |
Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by jbsarma on Monday, June 09 @ 13:09:41 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.assamchronicle.com | I donot see why the people at NC are working for nothing - out of charity ! We need to know how NC is going to survive in the long run if we are to believe in their credibility. As for FC - he has made his choice - good or bad - he is going to make exclusive release for the club members.
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by jbsarma on Monday, June 09 @ 13:21:56 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.assamchronicle.com | | Looks like you are endevouring to run yourself as a professional venture, which is good for the project. That is why I think it is only natural for you to volunteer this information as well for sake of transperancy - to be reassured of the future. I am afraid you might say either take what we are offering or go elswhere. But that will not be professional. |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by Raven on Monday, June 09 @ 13:29:56 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://ravenphpscripts.com | | Does IBM, Oracle, RedHat, phpMyAdmin, Apache, MySQL etc. have to reveal their sources of support for you to be reassured of the future? I fail to see your reasoning here. I do not get paid and am not here to get paid. Like all or most open source project team members, I do it because I enjoy it. What is it that you are really after? |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by Zhen-Xjell on Monday, June 09 @ 13:34:51 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://castlecops.com | Perhaps a little information about me might be helpful...
I'm not a rich man financially but maybe someday I'll make it. For the past 12 years I have been a volunteer in the capacity of EMT and firefighter saving people's lives. I have also done underwater search and recovery.
All this, for free. Why? Because that is the answer to life... helping others.
Take a look at the families who have the "old" money. You can't pick them out of the crowd. But they are there, and working for free because they enjoy helping others.
This is what Nuke Cops is based on. |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by jbsarma on Monday, June 09 @ 13:48:41 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.assamchronicle.com | | Great. Just a clarifification goes a long way. I was concerned because only the other day you have been seeking financial help from the users. But you did not tell us if the financial side of the project is sorted or not. It is important that we, the users, donot feel unduely obliged to you (we are already gratefull all the help you provide) and there should be at least a mechanism to raise fund (non-profit) to run such a project. |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by Zhen-Xjell on Monday, June 09 @ 13:53:19 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://castlecops.com | | Yes, we have obtained an angel for our dedicated server. That information is not yet ready to be released but should be within the next couple weeks. |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 2, Insighful)
by Hajduk on Monday, June 09 @ 13:34:29 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | | Congrats NC guys. I think this CMS will survive where the others failed and are failing. Keep up the good work, most of us who do apreciate are to busy to post. |
Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by MikeMiles on Tuesday, June 10 @ 03:58:57 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | Blinded by drinking too much of the red coolaid again huh? The other CMS' have not failed and are not failing. They have smaller communities. So, what. Any competent programmer can port virtually any add-on from here or anywhere else to another CMS. PhpNuke maintains its numbers because it's a huge cult. The cult mentality is why you and others have problems breaking away or disagreeing with the "leaders." I use that term very loosely.
If Nukecops wants to follow FB around like a little whipped puppy dog that's fine. They were wrong though in not saying immediately that AI was acting independently, and the rest of them did not agree with his idea. I don't know how old these people are, but if they are over the age of 25 they should know better.
As for the one who said, what's $10 per month -- multiple that number by 1,000 or 10,000 or however many you think are in the club. That is what he gets per month. I bet these guys are getting paid otherwise they're dumb to hand over their work to someone else to get paid instead. |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 2, Interesting)
by chatserv on Monday, June 09 @ 13:50:37 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://nukeresources.com | Feel i should clarify an issue or two, first off, FreeNuke was AI's idea and he posted about it without first checking with everyone else (at least not that i know of), his opinions and views were his and his alone and not an official NukeCops view or stance. i only mention this because many quote his FN posts are being those of NukeCops, nothing further from the truth, as for anyone being a silent observer, go back to said posts and count my pro or anti FN replies, found any? I myself wish only the best of luck to AI, he's done nothing to me personally and i have no problems with him or anyone else for that matter. NukeCops is a Nuke support site and will remain as such, many feel we will leave them in the dark, why should we when all we've done since the start is try to provide you all with fixes, hacks and patches? If you feel that nothing NukeCops as a team, any of the team members on his own, or i have done has helped you in any way then i'm sorry to hear that but i know for a fact that a vast group of people have found answers to their questions both here and at the places we help at or run ourselves, we do the best we can and as Zhen said we have the drive and the passion for Nuke which makes us work even harder.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and i will not put down any such opinion expressed here or elsewhere but i am entitled to mine as well and while it may not always be the most popular at least i back everything i get involved with and try as hard as i can to help out as many people as time will allow, my post count at several sites is proof of that, i don't post just to build up my post count, i only do so when i feel i can add something useful to what might be discussed in any of the places i post at. |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by chatserv on Tuesday, June 10 @ 01:55:52 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://nukeresources.com | | Actually i don't think so, if the proposed fork takes form by whomever decides to work on it, it will take a lot of work on their part to reach the status obtained by PN which has a big dev team that has also gone through similar setbacks, NC as i mentioned is a Nuke support site and will remain as such, it would take much more than one member leaving to even assume NC would change their direction. On the fork subject one can only add that variety is what adds spice to life, i have nothing bad to say about any other CMS, be it one that already exists or is in planning stages, we all get to pick the one that works best for each of our needs, don't think i need to say which one i picked :-) |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by jbsarma on Monday, June 09 @ 14:19:13 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.assamchronicle.com | We donot need one more new Nuke fork - that is for sure. Let the ones already born flourish so that we get different options to choose from according to our need and test. But we certainly need a nicely packaged PHPNuke version with as many great modules, blocks and themes assembled and implemented.
But I do strinly feel that AI should have been persuaded to stay becasue he did not do anything wrong in his outburst against FB - he was asking for it by his outrageous activitivities. FB should know PHPNuke is successful only because of so many modules are available contributed by so many people and support sites like NC.
I also fail to understand why we need so many versions of PHPNuke coming up in quick successions. Is one real step forward in a year (ok half a year perhaps) is not sufficient.
There are many other CMS that are fast catching up. I am playing with right now with Envolution which is great but lacks in choices of modules. FB cannot afford to be unmindful of users anger. |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by afc on Monday, June 09 @ 14:19:25 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | How can you come from Free Nuke 2 weeks ago to this posted on PHPNUKE.org
PHPNuke.org and NukeCops.com are both moving together as the best of friends in a professional arena on a global scale.
That a huge move from starting your own CMS to going along with with FB
I dont see why FB charges for updated, maybe he "Money Hungry"
I think the community should get togeather and have teams work on each part of CMS |
Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by snarfies3 on Monday, June 09 @ 18:03:28 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.temple-anime.org/erik/ | | Seeing as how FB currently has "no job," then I should think him being a bit "money hungry" at the moment is a bit justified. You don't think PHPNuke is worth a measly $10? |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by afc on Monday, June 09 @ 21:12:49 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | | Nope, i disagree charging for security updated, I do run free software Red Hat linux |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by dsnail2000 on Monday, June 09 @ 14:20:53 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.controlbooth.com | "In addition, from a previous article with Francisco's blessings, we will also continue to offer a special bundle of PHP-Nuke. Such additional items include:
-LDAP authentication
-Corporate grade calendar sharing module
-Web Space for Members"
This special bundle, will it be free or will you start charging for it? Just wondering about those specifics of your agreement with FB. |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by dsnail2000 on Monday, June 09 @ 14:40:01 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.controlbooth.com | | What if FB releases a radical change to the core code... everybody would just download it off NC instead of FB's site. How do you plan to deal with the next eventual version? |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by Zhen-Xjell on Monday, June 09 @ 14:42:30 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://castlecops.com | | All these answers will come out in due time. As stated in this article we need to fill staff positions first. |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by Moon- on Monday, June 09 @ 17:22:33 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | Very disappointed to read this.
I had been a paying club member until resent events, I was planing on shifting that support to Nuke Cops.
But with Public releases, Club releases, Enhanced releases, Private releases, Leaked releases and the compatibility issues, I can only see more problems down the road for Nuke and the community. |
Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by Raven on Monday, June 09 @ 17:26:51 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://ravenphpscripts.com | Moon-
Hang tight :) The boat is still afloat! As Zhen has said, not all the details are out - yet. There's been positive good news so far and there's more to come. Thanks for your continuing support! |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by intel352 on Tuesday, June 10 @ 17:48:58 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.nukebbmods.net | i assist Moon with his phpnuke website, and i agree, everything that happening is bs, but what pisses me off the most is the way FB has been treating the community, then NukeCops still supports him...
Moon and i are already looking into alternatives, and will be watching FreeNuke closely... it'd be nice to have a more open-minded CMS developed, with no problems in actually *acquiring* that CMS |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by Sillybear on Tuesday, June 10 @ 02:41:58 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.cablevideomusic.org | | I won't pay for something they say is free either the damn thing is free or its pay its stupid to have both |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by allevon on Monday, June 09 @ 17:57:08 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.AlleVonTech.com | | Holy Crap! You mean I missed all this debating today. Bummer. Well Im in favor of the idea. Better to join in than fight it. Things Must Evolve. |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by nobleclem on Monday, June 09 @ 18:31:25 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://hackerassassins.com | I would just like to as a user of PHP-Nuke for a few months now agree with ZX that if you dont like NC's deciscion then dont grip about it .... leave.... go somewhere else.... If I have griped about FB's decision then well lets say I have learned that it doenst help anything by being destructive... I would just like to say that I plan on sticking around till I find something better OR till I stop doing webstuff... So good luck to all and their directions... I am sure we all hope the best for AI, NC, FB and all the nuke forks... but maybe some good things will come out of all this... I have never seen any great things get far without seeing problems... this is just a road bump that I hope will lead the PHP-Nuke project to great things...
Just remember for those who dont admin sites or for those who dont code.... if you dont remember anything all I ask is that you rememeber this:
"YOU CANNOT MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY" |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by weirdwx on Tuesday, June 10 @ 00:24:57 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://osnp.org | I am glad to see some movement in the Nuke community.So far it seems to be in the positive direction.But of course more info is needed!
We have formed the Open Source Nuke Project at
http://osnp.org
We hope this will also help the Nuke community to get even stronger.
OSNP also offers to NC and FB hosting support forums,testing sites etc..
Hope we can work together to make the Nuke community the best it can be!
Peace |
Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by Linzilla on Tuesday, June 10 @ 04:17:36 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | http://www.osnp.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=2
Then why are you working on a fork? At least that's what appears to me. Forking will not help the community get stronger, nor will promoting Nuke-in-a-Box here.
I'm sorry if I'm seeing this wrong. |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by weirdwx on Tuesday, June 10 @ 08:21:39 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://osnp.org | These are just ideas that have been thrown out there.That is why we want feedback.OSNP does not want to engage in a new Nuke fork.However,if things do not work out then maybe that is the best course.
From what we have gathered,is people will support Nuke if they are given more in services.That is what Nuke-in-a-box promotes.
Again OSNP is not promoting a fork and we fully support a Free Nuke.We just want to make sure the people who do all the work have a chance to see a little less out of pocket expenses and a little more cash to compensate for their fantastic work.
Peace |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by Linzilla on Tuesday, June 10 @ 09:34:04 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | Sounds good, thanks for the clarification. Also, I don't want you to think that I was being an ass, that was my not intention, I wanted to make sure that your posting was legit.
Thanks weirdx. I also agree with everything you're saying, ;)
Take care.
Linzilla |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by weirdwx on Tuesday, June 10 @ 09:51:11 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://osnp.org | Thanx for the feedback.I didn't think you were being an ass.
Clarification is my middle name!
Peace |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by dmolavi on Tuesday, June 10 @ 09:33:01 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.nukedgallery.net | here is a note from the guys at NSN (from AI's website):
Re: Pre-Announcement of ZX's decision (Score: 1)
by BobMarion on Monday, June 09 @ 21:16:11 BST
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Don't know if you would be interested or not AI but NSN (NukeScripts Network) is preparing a fork of Nuke. It already has SourceForge project approval :) Let me know what you are thinking of a fork and maybe we could join together and improve the improvements we are both planning. I would have contacted you directly but I am on vacation at this time and do not have my personnal addressbook with me.
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by vert on Tuesday, June 10 @ 08:40:18 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | NukeCops, NukeScriptsN and thousands of users are caused of Php-Nuke popularity and advantages. Many people have given to Francisco ideas and their work because it was totally for free. Now when Francisco charges for so elementary things like bugs fixes, the support from users can be over. I think that php-nuke belongs to his users. Francisco is a dictator who frightens us all by saying that he will not continue work on php-nuke. Let's say stop. Don't pay him for our own work ! Php-nuke will never die, even when Francisco somehow will leave it. The hole in the I-net will be fast filed up. Php-nuke on this stage requires team like have phpMyAdmin, phpAdsNew and more… Francisco- You have shown who you are, it's time to say goodbye…
We will have war, or war already has begun and this war is different because it's between users and Francisco. Community can't be more divided but we can always integrate. Integrating people from NukeCops, NukeScripts and form other sites even with guys from Post-nuke by building great team which could make the most amazing CMS on the whole world. Let's try again when Francisco forces us to do it. We have IDEA to build free, professional CMS; we have potential, we only must get organized. The list of roles which is in this news it's a good start… |
Nuke Dream (Score: 1)
by baloo on Tuesday, June 10 @ 10:33:56 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | A collaboration between NSN and NC would be my ultimate dream. I don't know what the relationship if like but I am hoping it's good.
If you merged NSN's great modules, blocks, add-ons with NC's rock solid security patches and dedicated multi-person support, you would have a Nuke fork which will quite quickly become the #1 platform.
Think about it guys, seriously, it would be a Nuke marriage made in heaven. |
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Re: Nuke Dream (Score: 1)
by intel352 on Tuesday, June 10 @ 17:52:49 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.nukebbmods.net | yes, but nukecops has made it clear they are supporting FB, which NSN is *not* (notice NSN has phpnuke 6.6 for download, since it IS a free file...)
anyways, i think AI carries the same will to securely patch nuke as NukeCops, so if AI and NSN join, that is probably going to be the closest we'll get to your *dream*, lol
hopefully that comes about tho, it would be nice to see NSN fully integrated into nuke... |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by snarfies3 on Tuesday, June 10 @ 18:19:13 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.temple-anime.org/erik/ | | Uh... FB doesn't frighten me, and I think that if he frightens you that you might want to see some manner of psychaiatrist. The program "belongs" to FB - HE WROTE THE DAMN THING YOU ARE MODIFYING AND PATCHING (yes, I know it was originally based on the abandoned thatware project). He pays for a domain, and for web hosting. If you don't think the program is worth a measly $10, too bad, you aren't entitled to freebies. |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by jwalsh8888 on Wednesday, June 11 @ 12:42:07 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | | ? last I checked it was $10 dollars a month. sure I could pay once and download it, but then I would have to keep paying to get any support and any new versions. Sorry not for me thx, 120 dollars a year for this? when others have almost identical things for free? what's really not cool is to wait until it's this huge cult thing then to start charging for it. I would be willing to bet there's alot of people that feel they don't want to pay for it but to scared to try something new after they have been using PHPNuke for so long. Especially considering most of the important work these days seems to get done by others , not FB. as someone already stated, I hope NukeCOPS is now on the payroll for PHPNUKE because doesn't make anysense for anyone to keep helping FB make money and not get paid yourself. |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by Mesum on Wednesday, June 11 @ 00:29:51 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.desitribe.com | | I have been a paid club member from the day one... But after reading all this, I think this will be my last month for that club.... hell, I still have using 6.0 but I wanted to support the open source and real meanings of "sharing the source" but really don't see that happening, to those who are upset and NC or FB, you are just wasting your time, both parties are old and mature, they know what they are doing, no matter what you say, they will do what they want to. |
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Re: The Official Nuke Cops Business Model (Score: 1)
by pajucki on Wednesday, May 19 @ 23:30:30 CEST
(User Info | Send a Message) | As a rookie here, a don't have a great deal of insight into what's taking place with the sale of the site, other than to say I hope that this open source business model, or most of what was laid out in the model, doesn't perish with this nuke cop community in the sale.
I haven't had a huge need for help until recently when security became more of an issue for me, but I've always found what I needed here, or a reference to a community member's project work/web site/forum advice.
Thanks to all here for creating such an invaluble resource.
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