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 gnaunited writes "As you know I have been coming to the users of Nuke Cops looking for help on translations and other things. I also try to go around to other places to try to spread the word that I need something. But I have recently submitted some news to the people at NukeScripts.net because I know that they get a fair share of hits themselves. On the latest story that I submitted to them (Still need the following translations...) I recieved the following message from an administrator
"Please stop submitting news at NSN. We do not support you nor your projects, and will continue to delete your submissions. Hope that saves you some time.". I then looked at their logo "NukeScripts Central: To Serve & Improve the Nuke Community". Gee, that seems funny. I really have no idea what to think about this but what the hell. Im pretty sure "BM or Bob Marion" didn't know about this but there is always the possibility. The admin who sent me that was Burnwave. He makes the store emporium for nuke. Just in case you want to contact him here is his email: {removed per request of email address owner for SPAM concerns}. I am glad that nukecops dont have polls stuck up there a**s like nsn. And also thanks for posting my stories. "
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Posted on Thursday, January 01 @ 15:07:50 CET by Zhen-Xjell |
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Re: NSN complaints (Score: 1)
by Zhen-Xjell on Thursday, January 01 @ 15:13:40 CET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://castlecops.com | To everyone I wish a happy new year, and as I stated before I'm of the opinion to allow the majority of articles submitted to be approved (within limits). Recently my personal experience with Burnwave has been around the Workboard project. We had a brief chat about it and my potential contribution to it. It is a nice module that Mike Squires has started.
With regard to your news submission at NSN, I haven't submitted anything there for over half a year now at least. The only places I submit news / approve news now are here, computercops.biz, and phpnuke.org.
But the stats also speak for themselves here. For the past quarter we've sustained 1.7 million plus hits per month each month. So NC seems to be doing something right. :D
Thanks go out to all for a great 2003, and we look forward to even more in 2004. |
Re: NSN complaints (Score: 1)
by burnwave on Thursday, January 01 @ 15:51:43 CET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://burnwave.com | Its odd when Alex (Gnaunited) steals an NSN member's identity, and thinks its ok to continue to believe we should support him and his projects.
Maybe you should rethink what had happened in the past Alex, as I find it rediculous for someone to do such a bad thing. |
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Re: NSN complaints (Score: 1)
by gnaunited on Thursday, January 01 @ 16:53:37 CET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.gnaunited.com | | I have talked to Bob about your actions and he was not aware of the things you have done. And the other thing that you so kindly brought up is done and gone, and as a matter of fact you were not even part of NSN when it happened so it in no way affects you. Not to mention the fact that what I did in no way shape or form affected anyone anywhere. And when you refer to "we" in your post it should say me because you are the one doing this. |
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Re: NSN complaints (Score: 1)
by burnwave on Thursday, January 01 @ 16:09:20 CET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://burnwave.com | I personally am opened to anyone and their projects Alex, however, as you know, we aren't happy with your previous actions. You decided it would be 'right' to steal someones identity on the NSN team... and then think we would continue to support you afterwards? I don't think so buddy. That was a very childish thing you had done in the passed.
Also, I believe it was quite childish posting this article here at NC before complaining to me, or NSN as a whole in the matter. However, you would rather come here, post a slanderish news post because SOMEONE doesn't accept you for your 'bad deeds' in the past, and expect sympathy from others for it?
I am not a hater Alex... my email was straight forward and in no way was meant to slam you OR your efforts. You should have just thought out your actions a long while ago before committing to them.
Also, ZX and I had a chat a month or so ago regarding the future of NC and my own personal projects. We were mutually opened to each other, nor did he reject me because of my position at NSN. This shows that we do indeed get along, no matter what sides of the war we are on.
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NC, please remove my email address from your post. This is enticing SPAM and I am not opened to it. |
Re: NSN complaints (Score: 1)
by Zhen-Xjell on Thursday, January 01 @ 16:30:23 CET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://castlecops.com | I'll remove the email per your request since it belongs to you. I don't like to edit user news submissions with the exception of making web site URLs hyperlinked (easier for surfers to browse that way).
However I'm not sure what any "war" exists. Each project and each person fits nicely into a certain role in this world. I for one like the chat we had and the workboard project. There is no "side" IMHO. There simply is a community spirit which we are all apart of. :D |
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Re: NSN complaints (Score: 1)
by burnwave on Thursday, January 01 @ 16:40:01 CET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://burnwave.com | I agree ZX. I have no problems with anyone, however, I do believe there is _fire_ between NSN and NC.
I also feel that it isn't right for someone to publicly slander me because they didn't have something go their way. ZX, would you support someone if someone went around pretending to be you intentionally? I know I wouldn't, and I believe my actions were justified. I felt that it was necessary for me to contact Alex about this, mostly to save himself time nailing sites for an article submission. If he hadn't done what he had done in the past, then there wouldn't have been a problem. |
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Re: NSN complaints (Score: 1)
by Zhen-Xjell on Thursday, January 01 @ 16:53:28 CET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://castlecops.com | Hi Mike, its a new year and it is going to be another great one. I hope that everyone gets their wishes this year because I already have mine with IACOJ. :D So, I'm set for life because having her has made me a success!
With that said... ;)
I'm not big on controversy. Yet on the order of once every couple months Nuke Cops tends to get a news article that may cause some "heat". It tends to follow that Allevon (a friend of mine) submits such articles. For a change, this submission wasn't by him. I've even removed one of Allevon's articles in the past because it generated too much negative discussion and flames (and that was also by his request to boot!).
Now I don't know what happened in regards to the history behind this news submission, but I approved it because I was interested in seeing the commentaries that would evolve here. It doesn't matter to me personally what had occurred. I just hope that everyone can get along...
But fundamentally, this article was approved because I try to stay as close as possible to a 99% news submission approval rating. It has been months since an article was not approved until yesterday when a highly questionable domain purchasing article was submitted. It was not written professionally nor legibly (ie: contact was using a hotmail address).
Now... if it so happens that this article takes a downward spiral, I'll have to remove it. I don't like seeing negative commentary going out of control. Otherwise, this stays mature and intellectual, I feel it can benefit folks by seeing how developers in the Nuke community interact on a professional level.
Not to mention, it shows folks that NC tries to stay away from censorship. Even though NC is a private entity and no freedom of speech is guaranteed, I do try to allow a wide latitude.
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Re: NSN complaints (Score: 1)
by burnwave on Thursday, January 01 @ 17:07:56 CET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://burnwave.com | I totally agree with your avoidance of censorship. I personally hate it myself.
Thank you for removing my email contact on the article. I believe that was irrelevant to the article.
I just find it quite amusing that Alex did not contact me about the problem before he submitted this article to you. He knows that he is in bad terms with NSN, so I am guessing that he 'struck' back by posting his misfortunes to this website, hoping NC and others comfort him. However, noone should hand him a Kleenex, or provide their shoulder for him to weep on. If he has a problem, settle it as an adult instead of slandering someone behind their back.
I am here to build the community like NC and NSN, however, I do not support someone who IMHO 'attacks' a certain person/group, trying to bring down that sense of community.
I have been just on my comments, and I appreciate the positive comments that you, ZX, have been leaving. You are VERY open minded to these subjects, which is another plus side about you. Thanks for your time. |
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Re: NSN complaints (Score: 1)
by Zhen-Xjell on Thursday, January 01 @ 17:11:15 CET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://castlecops.com | | Thanks Mike. I try to provide for a place on the web where discussions can occur and problems be mended. Afterall, why are we doing this? To make friends, grow our products, spread the PHP-Nuke portal word, and have fun. Hey I found my wife because of PHP-Nuke! Now tell me, isn't that such a wonderful positive thing? ;) So I believe in being open. One can only dream of what may happen... |
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Re: NSN complaints (Score: 1)
by gnaunited on Thursday, January 01 @ 17:13:15 CET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.gnaunited.com | | Speaking of being childish, who was it who was posting my stories on NSN? Looks like BM was because they were actually being posted. And lets talk about the fact that my account there was "accidently" deleted. And lets talk about the negative comments that were added to my last stories on the homepage. |
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Re: NSN complaints (Score: 1)
by burnwave on Thursday, January 01 @ 17:25:30 CET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://burnwave.com | I was one of the people who posted some of your articles regarding the project, and I was the one you were talking to regarding your project through an instant messaging service. If you didn't recall, I was backing your project all the way.
And don't look at me when your user name was deleted. I know exactly who that was. |
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Re: NSN complaints (Score: 1)
by burnwave on Thursday, January 01 @ 18:06:00 CET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://burnwave.com | Check the email I sent a little while ago.
Please add me to your IM contacts please, or at least get on one :) Easier to converse instead of posting comments... (however, not public). |
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Re: NSN complaints (Score: 1)
by bohrme on Thursday, January 01 @ 22:13:11 CET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.eSnider.net | | What I find amusing is that there seems to be a double standard here. On one side, Alex has given other than favorable press about you. This is NOT slander and there is a big difference. On the other side, you continue to rehash old mistakes and judge his future actions based on passed performance. I see no difference between the two complaints. |
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Re: NSN complaints (Score: 1)
by gnaunited on Thursday, January 01 @ 17:09:45 CET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.gnaunited.com | Just so we are clear on the subject, this is what happened in the past. For about 2 days or so I was a developer for NSN-Nuke. I had the simple assignment of taking the private messages module from 6.0 and making it 6.9+ (since that was the latest release of PHP-Nuke). There were a couple of questions that I had regarding it (such as image locations and such).
The only way I knew how to get in touch with BM was to go through Viper, or linzilla (same person). Since he had a broadband or something his computer was on all of the time. And I knew that if I were him I wouldn't want to listen to me either. So I tried switching my SN to Nuke Scripts or something along those lines. That didn't work so I just gave up.
I think it was the next day I finally got ahold of Linzilla (or viper). I said something to him. I then looked at the screen and my SN was still NukeScripts. Oops, guess I forgot to change it back. Linzilla told Bob, and I was then Kicked off of NSN.
Burnwave is in no way affiliated with this and he wasn't even a member f NSN at the time it happened. I have no problems with BM, or linzilla (or viper). That is waha happened. That is what burnwave is talking about. |
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Re: NSN complaints (Score: 1)
by burnwave on Thursday, January 01 @ 17:14:32 CET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://burnwave.com | | I was told right off the start that you were bad news with NSN. I justified my reasons to deny your simple news submission (IMHO, it's not the end of the world, and I did say I am opened to ANYONES projects). I just don't see why you take such offense to it. |
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Re: NSN complaints (Score: 1)
by gnaunited on Thursday, January 01 @ 17:19:34 CET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.gnaunited.com | | Because that is not your site. You had no right to do that. Not to mention I had to download another browser because of that stupid ip blocker. |
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Re: NSN complaints (Score: 1)
by burnwave on Thursday, January 01 @ 17:27:19 CET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://burnwave.com | I was NOT the one who IP blocked you. Nor the user name deletion.
That is obviously telling you something right there.
Cheers. |
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Re: NSN complaints (Score: 1)
by mbptzxafb on Thursday, January 01 @ 18:13:53 CET
(User Info | Send a Message) | gnaunited. I'm not somebody who ever signs up to any site or posts anything when I dont need to, but I know Bob and how he runs sites.
If Bob gave Burnwave access to his admin sections on NukeScripts Central with specifics of articles etc. then he trusts Burnwave's judgement as to what articles should and shouldn't be posted and by whom.
I also know that the entire NSN-Nuke and NSN-Central and to some extent some NSN-Regionals staff were very annoyed at your using NukeScripts as your screenname and thereby impersonating Bob intentionally. Regardless of the reason.
I'm not in-the-know enough to be able to say this as more than just a suspicion, but I woudln't mind betting that your removal from NukeScripts Central was the result of a joint decision by Bob and some of the Regionals & various NukeScripts staff because of your actions.
As the old saying goes: "You made your bed. now lie in it" |
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Re: NSN complaints (Score: 1)
by BobMarion (webmaster@nukescripts.net) on Thursday, January 01 @ 21:56:29 CET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.nukescripts.net | One of the few times I will post here.
First, there are 4 levels of user accounts at NSN:
1) Active
2) Suspended
3) Inactive - you never come back from here
4) GONE - this means nothing remains at all
Your account, even though you have not contacted me directly about it save the one PM, is still there in either the #2 or #3 state. It will have been put in that state for one of a few reasons by the site it's self, most notably abuse of the site as tracked thru the ip.
Next, you posted here instead of waiting for my PM reply to you. You also know thru our IM conversation the other day where I guided thru a issue you contacted me about that I am away alot of the time, therefore you knew that it would take longer to get a reply from me on the PM system. During that conversation you found me to be open and receptive of your questions and comments. I did not cut you off or ignore you, I did however give you the chance to have an open and ongoing dialog with myself and therefore with NSN. Your actions prove you to be untrustworthy or a part of NSN in any manner. This in it's self should not surprise me, I always do my best to forgive and move on. This action keeps me from doing that. You, yourself have brought this onto yourself by expecting NSN and anyone with NSN to respect you even if the respect has not been earned.
You are attacking Mike who has been a part of NSN longer then any other NSN staff member. He has EARNED my trust to admin my site without requiring him to beg me for permission to take care of content. NSN has approved more content then any other site compared to the posts that are deleted. Out of the 700 posts currently on NSN only 5 were deleted due to content. Okay make that 6 including the one I had not even seen before you started your campaign against Mike and NSN. This is not due to us disliking you but you impersonating me several times to gain access to restricted information or scripting.
Yes, I am NSN (just as ZX is NC), but NSN is more then just BobMarion. As NC is more then just ZX. ZX and myself make the hard/finial decisions that face our sites but most decisions are made by jury poll so to speak. This has placed ZX and myself on opposing sides of many issues. The two of us represent large parts of the community. Your posting here on this issue to me appears to be one of those war starters. You know that ZX and myself don't see eye to eye. I feel that you are trying to open old wounds and I do respect ZX posted your article knowing the many ways it could go. You may not know that ZX and I have agreed to dis-agree. I for one will not take part in what you are trying to do here, nor would I blame ZX for removing this comment or the entire thing.
What does that last paragraph mean? In other words, NSN will not support you in the future. Most of the regionals and staffers have already spoken their minds on this matter. You did not fair well with any of them and in this case the majority rules. |
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Re: NSN complaints (Score: 1)
by deanot on Thursday, January 01 @ 22:49:25 CET
(User Info | Send a Message) | My name is Dean Thompson, webmaster of www.fullaccess.us and a part of the NukeScripts Network.
I also learned of "gnaunited's" little scam and I am with NSN on this, not because I have been forced to or because I am part of the NSN network but because these are my thoughts on this subject.
I decided to put my thoughts (for what they are worth) in to this matter, I would have done the same thing as anyone else would have in this situation.
Some things to remember are........
No website has to allow any news submission.
No website has to allow any users that lie, cheat or betray others trust, to access any part of there website, let alone be any part of it.
Personaly I would not trust you with a 20 foot pole seeing what you did to others that trusted you.
Slamming others for something you asked for is just plain stupid, the reasons for what have happened to you are as plain as dirt, you did what you did and now you suffer for your actions.
I dont have much more to add to this matter and I just hope you can understand what you did was/is wrong and you only have yourself to blame.
If I was you (and I am happy I am not), I would say SORRY to all the people you offended and ask ZX to remove this entire posting because you miss informed his website and that your past actions are the reasons for this.
ZX, BM, MS & Myself would do the same thing again in this situation.
I thank you ZX for allowing us to answer to this trouble some issue. |
Re: NSN complaints (Score: 1)
by gnaunited on Friday, January 02 @ 10:54:14 CET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.gnaunited.com | | I knew there was something more then just this, so lets make this even clearer. ONE TIME. ONE TIME HAD I USED THAT NAME. ONE TIME HAD I USED THAT NAME TO SEE IF VIPER WAS IGNORING ME. ONE TIME. I know about the other times anfd I can say officially that that was not me. You can check your ip logs for the other person and then check them against mine and they wont even come up close. You need to understand that I did not contribute to the "scam" that was going on at your site. |
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Re: NSN complaints (Score: 1)
by Mighty_Y on Friday, January 02 @ 11:45:09 CET
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.code-area51.com | | IF Viper was ignoring you then it is HIS right to ignore you, and believe me pretending that you were BobMarion wasn't going to get Viper to answer faster. He and Bob live one street from each other, so he would know if you were bob or not.
I'm now talking alot with AI and Viper about NSN Nuke (cause I'm beta-tester/developer and the other functions they haven't found someone to do it), but I'd like to talk to Bob sometime too, just I KNOW he isn't much online. I have spoken to him one time, when they all had 'staff meeting' and asked me to join.
Your actions were very stupid to say the least and your last comment was even more stupid, I hope one day you are going to see you have to apologise to Bob and Mike, and maybe others too
Mighty_Y
PS I'll keep supporting Bob and Mike no matter what, and you have to know I'm not a regular visitor to this site (for reasons that are my own) so whatever you are gonna answer to this, I'll probably won't ever read it |
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Re: NSN complaints (Score: 1)
by deanot on Friday, January 02 @ 13:40:48 CET
(User Info | Send a Message) | THE POINT IS YOU STILL DID IT AND YOU ADMIT IT.
So you can see why no one within the NSN group wants your posts, right?
All you need to do now is admit you was wrong in slamming NSN and there operators and then ask ZX to remove this inacurate posting.
Then grow up, there is a saying, "people that live in glass houses should not throw stones". |
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